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stephen p
Joined: 15 Jan 2009
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 Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:30 pm Post subject: stupid question |
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where do the numbers on porsches come from? as in, the model number makes zero sense for me.. take for instance, a datsun 240z is 2.4 liter engine, Z series. 260z is 2.6 liter, Z series, a lexus is300.. "IS" being the series, 3.0 liter engine..
so what does 924 mean? and why does it become 931 when it's turbo? 944 has nothing to do with engine designation, and when they are factory turbocharged, people call them a 951.. OR, if someone turbo's a factory N/A car, it becomes a 954.. wtf? none of it makes any sense to me |
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Scorpio
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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The first number represents how expensive these cars are to fix out of ten
9= porsche car
second number is how many years it takes to fix a used car
2 = 2 years
Third number represents how many times youve cried yourself to sleep while fixing your car
4 = 4 times
actually i dont have a clue
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Khal
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: stupid question |
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Not a stupid question at all. It's been discussed at least once here before.
| stephen p wrote: | | so what does 924 mean? |
It's a sequential project number, supposedly (I find that explanation a little dubious myself but can't find any evidence to the contrary). The number doesn't relate to car or engine type or size.
| stephen p wrote: | | and why does it become 931 when it's turbo? |
Same as above. Apparently, it was just the next project number on the list... which would mean the project was started immediately after the 930 a.k.a. the 911 Turbo was started, and the 911 Turbo debuted in 1976, which means a turbocharged 924 was in the works by 1976... interesting. Also means the 924 was on the books before the 911 Turbo, as was the 928. It also means the project for the 956, which won Le Mans in 1982, was started after the project for the 951 a.k.a 944 Turbo, a year before the 944 debuted and three years before the actual 944 Turbo debuted. Not impossible but it stretches the credibility of the sequential project number theory, in my humble opinion.
| stephen p wrote: | | 944 has nothing to do with engine designation... |
Nope. See above.
| stephen p wrote: | | ...and when they are factory turbocharged, people call them a 951... |
See above again.
| stephen p wrote: | | OR, if someone turbo's a factory N/A car, it becomes a 954.. wtf? |
WTF indeed. Never heard that one before.
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RC
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpio wrote: | The first number represents how expensive these cars are to fix out of ten
9= porsche car
second number is how many years it takes to fix a used car
2 = 2 years
Third number represents how many times youve cried yourself to sleep while fixing your car
4 = 4 times
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stephen p
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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well, when i posted on the 944 forums about the possibilitys of going turbo with my old 944, they called it a 954..
i might add, the 944 forum is a bunch of thick headed people.. i still to this day get irritated when thinking about them..
i asked them, about tracking down an aftermarket T3 flanged turbo header for mine, and all i could get were lectures about how i should just buy a 951..
no one on that could fathom that it would be pointless to do that since i was going to use a sds or megasquirt for management, and the factory turbo would not support my goal, and the kkk turbos have a small and oddball flange, so i needed a different manifold, with at least a t3 flange, and injectors would not support what i wanted, and the pistons in the 951 were cast, not forged so, really the only thing that i would not be scrapping off of a 951 would be the lsd trans.
but none of these thick skull'd people would listen. thats one reason i have never messed with euro cars, is because there are generally two demographics that fool with them are generally people that are blinded by the "porsche" badge, and act like they are hot shit because they own one, or the type that reads books and magizines insted of actually going out and expirimenting with the builds and what not..
sorry i don't mean to insult any one... just had to vent for a sec.. |
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Khal
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| stephen p wrote: | ...all i could get were lectures about how i should just buy a 951...
...act like they are hot shit because they own one
...reads books and magizines insted of actually going out and expirimenting with the builds and what not... |
That's pretty funny. I'm constantly telling noobs they should just buy a turbo instead of trying to turbocharge their NA's (924's). I think I'm pretty cool 'cause I own a Porsche. And I'm not hot-rodder but I read just about everything I can get my hands on about Porsches and 924's....
Three strikes. I'm out 
You'll love the Perfomance Upgrades forum. Little to nothing about 944's specifically but endless debate about just about everything relating performance mod's in general.
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Bumblebee77
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Scorpio wrote: | The first number represents how expensive these cars are to fix out of ten
9= porsche car
second number is how many years it takes to fix a used car
2 = 2 years
Third number represents how many times youve cried yourself to sleep while fixing your car
4 = 4 times
actually i dont have a clue |
Just 4 times, Scorp? Geez... by your equation i must be driving a 92-97 or something! 
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stephen p
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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well to the average noob, that wants a 14 second car, that makes 225ish hp, yeah get a factory turbo car.
but for me i was wanting to put about 350-375 to the tires, so that would require 550cc injectors, a big fmic, a speed density based engine management, a exhaust manifold to support a gt30r turbo... so please tell my why i need to pay 8k for a 951, just to throw every thing away that is related to it being turbocharged? |
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924guy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| stephen p wrote: | well to the average noob, that wants a 14 second car, that makes 225ish hp, yeah get a factory turbo car.
but for me i was wanting to put about 350-375 to the tires, so that would require 550cc injectors, a big fmic, a speed density based engine management, a exhaust manifold to support a gt30r turbo... so please tell my why i need to pay 8k for a 951, just to throw every thing away that is related to it being turbocharged? |
Most who come to the forums, some how get the idea that they can just swap a turbo'd power plant into their na, with a day of work and instantly have the turbo version of the same car. they dont fathom the whole package and vast differences, or the expense of making such a change. In those cases it is certainly the standard answer , save $$$$ and head aches, just buy the turbo version.
A custom build is a completely different story, though a turbo chassis is always a good idea for the bigger brakes and better suspension and transaxle, but thats easy enough to uprate on an n/a chassis, and probably the easiest part of building a screamer with a 350 hp 2.5 liter engine. id go with a LS1 swap over building a 2.5 though, so much easier and faster to complete, not mention way less expensive and all the conversion parts are easily obtained...
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ideola
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| Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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The real question is what will Porsche do when they run out of 9xx numbers?
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Chrenan
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| Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| stephen p wrote: | | well to the average noob, that wants a 14 second car, that makes 225ish hp, yeah get a factory turbo car. |
I guess I'm an average noob. 
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Pelican924
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Stephen,
Not sure which 944 forum you've been frequenting, but I highly recommend that you sign up at http://www.944online.com/cgi-bin/forum/forum.cgi
You will be hard pressed to find anyone more knowledgeable than the Owner Ian, he's located in Fla. & will beat any one's prices. 
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