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Rick MacLaren Guest
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2002 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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Good spelling there Fielderd, or should I say "Bob". Well, it really doesn't matter.
Nice try with the 'crying' and 'whinning' comments. But it's pretty obvious you're trying to make trouble. Gohim's term was 'spouting'...no doubt you're the same 'type' of guy, using similar language (e.g., crying, whinning), ineffectively, to attempt to get someone spun up.
Me .
Pity, as there are so many other ways to effectively communicate without putting someone down.
Now, let me turn to your use of language. It needs some work. The term 'whinning' is not a word. Now, 'whinnying' is a word, and it is done by a horse, as in 'The horse whinney'd at the mention of using alternative fuels'.
<grin>
<chortle>
Alternatively, 'whinning', as you've written, might also be 'whining' - this means "a complaint uttered in a plaintive tone". Of course, it could also just be a complaint, regardless of my tone. Since you can't hear my voice, and this is a written media, all that can be said is that it is a complaint, but any references made to tone of voice are purely speculative on the part of that speaker.
[ This Message was edited by: Rick MacLaren on 2002-06-20 03:27 ] |
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larso Guest
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2002 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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On 2002-06-14 12:14, fielderd wrote:
what the?
you guys need to take a holiday or something. what are you talking about when you say "potentially leagal matters". are you saying that gohim doesn't have a right to say that putting certain additives in fuel is a bad idea.
stop crying and start driving
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NO, actually I am very interested. I want to know:
1. If toluene is more toxic than gas (because gas causes cancer! So really, what can be worse than gas itself!),
2.If Toluene burns when you put it in your engine, or if it evaporates. If it evaporates, it is still toluene. Then it is toxic. If it burns, what does it burn into? Chemical reactions can make things safe. Pure gas turns into water and CO2 under perfect conditions (And CO under imperfect)What does toluene turn into? Let's make this post something productive, I am asking reasonable questions that involve science. Not questions and comments that resemble horse shit on a pile of cow shit with flies on it that are shitting on it too. |
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Rick MacLaren Guest
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2002 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Lars:
Yes Lars, tolulene is toxic. Ever wonder why sniffing glue gets you high? Well, know the smell of airplane glue? If you're informed, you know that smell is the smell of tolulene, which is used to cut the rubber. It's toxic, but it's also an inhalent. It's particularly dangerous to brain cells if you sniff it for a long time. However, since it goes into your nose each time you fill up with gas, I speculate it probably isn't too bad as long as you avoid putting it into a bag and snorting it like coke for a year.
You are correct, gas is also toxic. Notably, ever wonder why natives in the US and Canada have been having trouble on reserves sniffing gas? They're getting high on gas fumes and on tolulene fumes. Both are carcinogens, both are used as inhalents.
Advice: Don't sniff gas to get high. Don't sniff tolulene to get high. Don't bathe in gas. Don't bath in tolulene.
First off, people have been saying "You get high octane gas from refining normal gasoline more". They're using an "Alcohol, distillation" metaphor and it's wrong. False. The refinement process uses tolulene to make high octane gas high octane gas.
Second, Octane, the rating, gets it's numbers from tolulene, plain and simple. Tolulene is added to any gasoline to make the octane higher. In fact, it's the standard against which substances are compared.
I'm completing an experiment presently where I've put two balloons, inflated, into dishes - one with gasoline and one with tolulene.
As for tolulene ruining rubber, I have no doubt it can deteriorate rubber. However, so does GAS. The issue becomes Does one deteriorate your gas line components more than the other? Or to a relevant degree? Answer: Neither deteriorates steel and aluminum and automobile plastics.
Interesting to note:
The rubber balloon with gasoline deflated yesterday. The tolulene balloon is still inflated. Both were inserted into their respective solutions at the same time (+/- 1 or 2 min.). So if tolulene hurts rubber, so does gas, maybe more so than tolulene. I didn't have a micrometer small enough to ensure the balloons were of the same thickness, but I assume they were the same, as they came from the same pack.
However, one was pink and one was yellow - maybe critics will charge that 'pink' ones deteriorate faster than yellow.
Third, I've actually used tolulene in my gas and it's just awesome. A friend of mine and myself, (he owns a 944 turbo) are buying a 50 gallon drum and mixing up a cocktail of tolulene and alcohol or maybe isopropanol.
Cheers. (hic)
Rick
'Whinney!'
[ This Message was edited by: Rick MacLaren on 2002-06-20 03:28 ] |
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Zuffen
Joined: 31 Jul 2001 Posts: 1426 Location: Owasso, Oklahoma 74055
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Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:12 am Post subject: |
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Comments on this specific topic have run it's course, any worthwhile and factual information should be placed in Performance Upgrades.
For those wishing to further the discussion, it can be continued via email.
Hopefully a guideline of usage and safety concerns on fuel additives will be added to the FAQ, once the appropriate research and testing has been done.
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