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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oysteinrb wrote:
we had already talked about 1 bar boost before he mentioned 2 bar so i am about 99% sure it was over pressure he meant. of course that guy is into extreme boosting and tuning so it is possible his setup would not last very long and that we were on a bit of a different wavelength... he also talked about using a system like autronic or haltech since the megasquirt stuff would not tackle it. too low "refresh" rate as i understood.


Then he would be wrong. Megasquirt can tackle it without issues. Keep in mind megasquirt is under constant development, its capabilities change all the time. There is the megasquirt I high resolution code, and MSII has high resolution as well.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

then what are the advantages of using Haltech or stuff like that instead of Megasquirt (when the price is not taken into consideration)..?

he had experience with the mentioned twinturbo 944. it was running on MS and it was a real bitch to tune.. anyway, whatever they tried it would not run like it should. they then dropped in an autronic unit and it was quite a bit better. granted, they may have issues with the MS programming itself, but it kinda makes sense that a system like Haltech E8 would woop MS ass...

if i am wrong, please enlighten me! i am here to learn...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The MS unit has lots of support from the DIY industry, but if you want name brand items then you get those other items,

MS is just different software than the other guys, and maybe not as many bells and wistles.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm.... but in my mind, those other systems seem better. i dont know why. i was SERIOUSLY considering MS, but i am not sure anymore.. what is the clock frequency of MSII again? 25MHz?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.megasquirt.info/
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its just that, when something is too good to be true (i.e. MegaSquirt is so cheap, and supposedly so good), it usually is.....
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

go onto the forums and ask what the people think about it there, I doubt you will hear many if any complaints,

the main things MS doesnt have is tracion control abilities, full sequential EFI and a couple of other not needed items.

look at it like clothes, you can pay $500 for a pair of brand name clothes, or you can pay $50 for a well made pair of jeans that work just as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oysteinrb wrote:
then what are the advantages of using Haltech or stuff like that instead of Megasquirt (when the price is not taken into consideration)..?


Features, it all depends on what kind of features you want readily availible out of the box. Megasquirt requires work, you have to solder up the board, decide what features you want, assemble further circuitry to provide those features. Its a DIY system, its not intended to simply be installed and thats it.

Oysteinrb wrote:
he had experience with the mentioned twinturbo 944. it was running on MS and it was a real bitch to tune.. anyway, whatever they tried it would not run like it should. they then dropped in an autronic unit and it was quite a bit better. granted, they may have issues with the MS programming itself, but it kinda makes sense that a system like Haltech E8 would woop MS ass...


If you read the megasquirt forums, there are hundreds of posts of a different nature, and that nature is, people getting rid of their few thousand dollar namebrand systems and installing a megasquirt. I know megasquirt works, I'm running it. It runs my car pretty darn nicely too. It sounds to me like the fellow your refering too, was either using a 2-3 year old unit that he wasn't fully familiar with, or was too ignorant to set it up properly. Its really impossible to tell.

If megasquirt didn't work well, would there be a 1100hp drag truck running it? ..... would there be a 300mph boneville car running it? ... the list goes on. There are plenty of people with 944 turbos running megasquirt as well, they don't seem to be having the problems your friend has mentioned. Just go through the success stories section of the megasquirt forums.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.diyautotune.com/cars/customer/parish_turbo_truck.htm

controlling nitrous and fuel on that truck. I saw a video of them dynoing that truck with the squirt on it, looking for that video.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eh, they archived it, that sucks. Oh well.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and just some other points, megasquirt II has fuel control resolution to 1 µsec which is 100 times more resolution than the first revision of megasquirt had with its original code (megasquirt I has since been updated with high resolution code as well) Its fuel tables are 12x12, but its interpolates between tables unlike most name brand ecu's, so its much easier to obtain a nice tune with a smaller table.

http://www.megamanual.com/ms2/indexright.htm

personally, I'm looking forward to when they finish development of the ionsensing ignition control circuitry.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a good thread.

I am currently working on head lift problems with my 951.
It consistantly has lifted at the 500 rear wheel horsepower level.
The 951 engine has been fine up to just under 600 crank HP. This has happened to 2 blocks now. Both were built by me with my hands.
I am working now on some semi-radical means of keeping the head on with my latest engine, but I won't bore you guys with them .

My point is that I would definitely NOT run 2 bar with my turbo (flows 75 pounds) with cast pistons and rods. If you put 951 rods and pistons (simple swap BTW), you can run 2 bar as long as you use a turbo/supercharger that remains efficient at 29 psi through the 2.5 liters and the very bad 951/944 head.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

special-tool wrote:
I am currently working on head lift problems with my 951.
It consistantly has lifted at the 500 rear wheel horsepower level.
The 951 engine has been fine up to just under 600 crank HP. This has happened to 2 blocks now. Both were built by me with my hands.
I am working now on some semi-radical means of keeping the head on with my latest engine, but I won't bore you guys with them .


What are the symptoms of the head lifting? ... or does it just tear the threads right out of the block? ....

I'm also very interested in your semi-radical means of keeping the head on, if you don't want to say publicly, you can private message me.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oysteinrb wrote:
hmmm.... but in my mind, those other systems seem better. i dont know why. i was SERIOUSLY considering MS, but i am not sure anymore.. what is the clock frequency of MSII again? 25MHz?


MS-II runs a 24MHZ (MC9S12C64) processor. Keep in mind most people will reccomend what they are familiar and comfortable with. I have a tendency to buy car types I am familiar with not necessarily the best type of car

I have no doubt the latest MS system wil be more than sufficiant for your needs. I believe the others have some pretty nice features that may play an important role in an endurance race situation but will be of little use in a street application. Unless you plan to spend some serious $'s on dyno time and track sessions with frequent engine teardowns, I doubt you will ever be able to tell the difference.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endwrench wrote:
I have no doubt the latest MS system wil be more than sufficiant for your needs. I believe the others have some pretty nice features that may play an important role in an endurance race situation but will be of little use in a street application. Unless you plan to spend some serious $'s on dyno time and track sessions with frequent engine teardowns, I doubt you will ever be able to tell the difference.


What features?

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