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[Khal]

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'80 924 Turbo

[924 turbo]

The wise words of Diesel:

[Khal]

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[Lizard]

lol yes these politics can be deadly on forum boards and create some flame wars.

and I am having to agree 100% with Khal here as well, you do NOT have to be smart to be the president of the USA you just have to have connections, and have someone tell you what to say,

IMHO GWB is a puppet.
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[jazz guy]

I am in agreement with 924turbo and his quotation of Diesel. In reading your initial post, gwsg, I believe that you were asking a sincere question in the spirit of honest discourse about voter responsibility here in the United States. I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I must say that topics like this tend to have a polarizing effect, rather than fostering a cohesive group or promoting a rich discussion of opinions. Most times this type of "discussion" is marred by off hand remarks that display the ignorance of the posting member and show disrespect to the leaders and citizens of whichever country is the topic. So far the banter on this topic has been relatively mild and mostly in the right spirit, but why push it here? There are other forums where these discussions are entirely appropriate and welcome. It can hardly be described as useful or promoting good will, when members make disparaging remarks about leaders or citizens in other countries. In this case the "discussion" topic seems to be morphing into barb slinging posts aimed at President Bush or Senator Kerry.

I know that this board doesn't have an off topic area, I wish it did. That way members wishing to engage in discussions of politics or other topics not related to our automobiles, could go there and have at it. I would ask that we keep the topics and discussions focussed on the cars that brought us to this board in the first place. Personally, I enjoy hearing about what other members are doing with there cars, be it restoration, racing, maintenance, or everyday use. This is a great forum and you all have helped make it a place of useful information. Please use restraint before posting topics or replies containing information or opinions that really belong in lonely hearts, political, or social discussion forums.

I hope this is food for thought and not fuel for the fire. Thanks for reading.

Brian

“By and large, jazz has always been like the kind of a man you wouldn’t want your daughter to associate with.” Duke Ellington

[Lizard]

[Khal]

Bugger. You're right jazz guy. I formally withdraw all previous posts in this thread.
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[kaffine]

Have you ever noticed how the USA only tries to give democracy to it's enemies?

This will be the second presidential election I get to vote in. I only wish there was someone I really wanted to vote for running. I'm going to be voting tomorrow.
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The best desciption of an atom boils down to something unknown is doing we don't know what.
Sir Arthur Eddington

[wdb]

The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.

" Elizabeth Cady Stanton, "
1890 US suffragist (1815 - 1902)

Where there is much desire to learn, there of necessity will be much arguing, much writing, many opinions; for opinions in good men is but knowledge in the making

" john milton " English poet 1608 - 1674

Examine what is said, not him who speaks. Arab proverb .

When we have the courage to speak out – to break our silence – we inspire the rest of the "moderates" in our communities to speak up and voice their views. " Sharon Shuster "

[D Hook]

Nothing of greatness ever came from passionless debate. (Don't rememeber who said it but it doesn't matter since I paraphrased it anyway.)

You may want to step over to Rennlist and their OT section if you want to get into some heated, mudslinging arguements. They've got it going over there. Personally, I hope it stays over there. None of us here have the whole truth about the issues, only soundbites and addresses of websites that proclaim to have the "real" story, which usually turns out to be the same fiction-based stories as Mr. Moore's movie.

BTW Lizard, I would never be able to watch that movie, knowing what I know, and, as Stu said, I would never want to contibute to his wealth that he's accumulated by this sordid piece of *&*&. That man is every bit a characterless lost soul that ever walked the earth and he does much more harm than good.

Speaking of character, I really hope and pray the DNC AND the RNC has the character and leadership to NOT throw this election into the courts again. With Gore conceding and then UNconceding at the behest of the DNC, it cast doubt on the process. He should've done as Nixon did in 1960 and put his nation before himself. THAT would've said something more. And then work to fix the election process itself so in the next election those problems wouldn't resurface.

BTW, speaking of voting anomolies, can someone please explain to me why in the world you would invent a voting touchscreen computer device and NOT be able to provide a paper print out of the vote? That seems ludicrous to me and just asking to become a huge lawuit waiting to be filed.

In Nebraska, we use optical scanners to record the votes. You fill in the circle, etc. We also split our electoral college votes, which I think is how every state should do it. I think it would be more representitive of the people's voice. But each state needs to decide that.

And one other thing. The only thing that resembles a debate is the name they choose to call it. There is nothing that is actually debated, just sound bites. I hope they do away with them completely and try something else.

[kaffine]

Talking about electronic voting without a paper trail. The US goverment is supposed to have paper records they aren't allowed to only have electronic records of something. They found out ther is a problem of electronic records first they don't have a media that will last as long as paper and ink. Second is what happens when what was used to create the data is obsolete. Does anyone remeber 8" floppy discs how about 5.25" not to mention operating systems and the program used to create the data if it's a word processor or some specialized program the company might go out of buisness or they stop supporting that program. They are working on creating an electronic records system but it is a long way off.
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The best desciption of an atom boils down to something unknown is doing we don't know what.
Sir Arthur Eddington

[924guy]

I think its a bit late in the race to try and explain the merits or disadvantages of either candidate, or sway peoples decisions, minds are already made up for the most part, and we will have a repeat of the 2000 election...there will be lawsuits and the entire process will be distorted again, both major parties have already gotten out their books of dirty tricks and every page in them will be put into use for this election... to me its a given..

I dont want a repeat of the past four years, i dont buy into the "everythings great" propganda Americans are fed daily..i see differently everytime i walk out my door. i read about the hiring of former KGB officers by the US government to create our "internal security" program including the national id card (with a swipe of a card theyll be able to find out everything about you, and i do mean everything, medical, voter registration, driving records, the list goes on and on..and state to state border checkpoints "papers please"... i read the oversees news and see how the US is hated and spurned, when i know its full of good people , under misguided leadership, and its sad....How our government has grown despite the claims that our current leaders want smaller government, and dont even get me started on the deficit.....(which by the way only 2% is attributable to the anti terror war effort.) and im no even to "go there" with the Iraq issue..ill just say i support our troops 100%, and pray for their safe return...

And i hear republicans complaining about "lack of respect" for the president and i laugh because they started the trend with Clinton...

Can the democrats do better? i have no idea..i dont agree with many things in the democrat party line either..but i also dont subscribe to the tales of woe and chaos should they attain power..this is why we have a democratic system, its called a balance of power, and the balance has been severely crippled over the past four years, the results are clear..
ill vote to get the balance back...and i will join efforts to break the two party monopoly on our governmental powers..

thats my 2 cents, take it for what its worth...
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[Stu2j]

[wdb]

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